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Non-Malays merely asking for equality , so to take Malaysia .
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Mohammed the Holy Fucker
2008-04-25 11:00:39 UTC
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of course the Chinese want equality in Malaysia as the Chinese
first step to take over Malaysia .

well, Glock 18 said before
that the Malay Agong protected all Chinese in Malaysia by
enforcing
the Malay 's discriminatory Malaysian laws against the Chinese
in Malaysia .



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 Non-Malays merely asking for equality
 http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/81596
It is clear from the article itself that the constitution does not
view non-Malays as equal before the law.
In real life situations, such as the amount of wealth and resources
consumed by non-Malays far exceed the Malays making them enjoy a much
better standard of living.
The attempt of the constitution is to make sure that Malays will
achieve parity with the non-Malays. Once this is achieved, there is
not point in using the special privileges granted by the constitution
because they can compete on equal merits. No quota or special
privileges needed to be applied in order to allow for their active
participation in the Malaysian economy, commensurate with their
numbers.
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caveat fair use notice:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
Non-Malays merely asking for equality
Derek Law | Apr 18, 08 4:24pm
I refer to the Malaysiakini report Tengku Faris: Non-Malays should not
seek equality.
It is very disturbing that Tengku Faris, the future Sultan of Kelantan
and possibly Yang di-Pertuan Agong uttered such words, as the
fundamental role of the monarchy is to protect all Malaysians
regardless of religion or race. However, with the monarchy playing a
more active role in nation-building as exemplified by the Regent of
Perak, HRH Raja Nazrin Shah, it is only natural to have conflicting
views from the monarchy.
Nonetheless, Malaysians believe (or hope to believe) that Tengku Faris
has been wrongly advised or misinformed of the actual political
situation in Malaysia, as his speech sounds more like speeches made
during Umno meetings.
The constitution in Malaysia is unique. Article 8 (1) of the Federal
Constitution states that ‘All persons are equal before the law and
entitled to the equal protection of the law’. Thus, all citizens,
regardless of religion or race, have equal rights under citizenship
such as the right to vote, access to education, etc.
However, Article 153 talks about the special position of the Malays/
bumiputeras and the reservation of positions in the public service,
scholarships and other similar educational or training privileges or
special facilities for the Malays/bumiputeras. However, Article 153
has a caveat that such reservation shall not deprive any person of any
public office or of the continuance of any scholarship or other
educational or training privileges or special facilities.
In addition, Article 136 states: ‘All persons of whatever race in the
same grade in the service of the Federation shall, subject to the
terms and conditions of their employment, be treated impartially’.
Thus, if read in totality, the federal constitution accords equal
protection to all citizens but has accorded a special position for the
Malays/bumiputeras. The non-Malays/non-bumiputeras have always
accepted the special position of the Malays/bumiputeras and the Islam
as the official religion of the country and have never questioned
this.
What the non-Malays/non-bumiputeras are merely asking for is equality
as enshrined in the federal constitution.
And it is an error to equate Malay unity as votes for Umno. Malay
Unity or any ‘community unity’ for that matter, means that the
community shares common aspirations such as education and employment
opportunities for their future generations, feeling safe at home and
in public and a strong and resilient economy, etc.
However, this does not mean that the entire community must agree with
all the aspirations or with the ways to achieve those aspirations.
This is the fundamental principle of a democratic society. There must
always be ground for disagreement but fundamentally, the aspirations
of the community are similar among the members.
On the same note, it is also wrong to equate ‘Chinese unity’ or even
‘Indian unity’ with votes for MCA or MIC. Malaysians (Malays and non-
Malays) have never been so united since independence and this show of
‘unity’ was demonstrated in the 12GE.
Tengku Faris also said ‘the Malays are the natives (penduduk asal) of
Malaysia, and every Malay must defend the constitution and Islam and
this can only be achieved through Malay unity’.
It is the duty of every citizen, Malays and non-Malay alike to defend
the constitution and the country should the need arise.
One fine day, Tengku Faris will be the Sultan of Kelantan and possibly
the Yang di-Pertuan Agong. Malaysians hope that when that day comes,
Tengku Faris will be a fair and just Sultan/ Yang di-Pertuan Agong for
which all Malaysians will shout with pride and joy, ‘Daulat Tuanku!’
Mohammed the Holy Fucker
2008-04-25 11:03:45 UTC
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if the Chinese in Malaysia have had respects for the Malays
inside Malaysia in the past ,

the Chinese in Malaysia would not have wanted to take over
Malaysia with the help from
Mr Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore .
It is clear from the article itself that the constitution does not
view non-Malays as equal before the law.
Non-Malays may be second class in Malaysia, but in ASEAN, Malays are
not respected unlike the Non-Malays... why? :-(
Respect is earned, never demanded.
Just as the Nazis never respected the Jews.
Similarly for racist Chinese in Malaysia that never respect Malays.
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yansimon52
2008-04-25 11:35:45 UTC
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Post by Mohammed the Holy Fucker
if the Chinese in Malaysia have had respects for the Malays
inside Malaysia in the past ,
the Chinese in Malaysia would not have wanted to take over
Malaysia with the help from
Mr Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore .
It is clear from the article itself that the constitution does not
view non-Malays as equal before the law.
Non-Malays may be second class in Malaysia, but in ASEAN, Malays are
not respected unlike the Non-Malays... why? :-(
Respect is earned, never demanded.
Just as the Nazis never respected the Jews.
Similarly for racist Chinese in Malaysia that never respect Malays.
CKSF- Hide quoted text -
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In a malay dominated Indonesia..........malay relying on malay to run
the country........resulting......corruption run from the top to the
bottom.

Lucky for malaysia where we still see the chinese deputies helping out
in some ministries otherwise, Malaysia would followed the same path as
Indonesia........corruption everywhere........
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-04-25 14:32:31 UTC
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Post by yansimon52
Post by Mohammed the Holy Fucker
if the Chinese in Malaysia have had respects for the Malays
inside Malaysia in the past ,
the Chinese in Malaysia would not have wanted to take over
Malaysia with the help from
Mr Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore .
It is clear from the article itself that the constitution does not
view non-Malays as equal before the law.
Non-Malays may be second class in Malaysia, but in ASEAN, Malays are
not respected unlike the Non-Malays... why? :-(
Respect is earned, never demanded.
Just as the Nazis never respected the Jews.
Similarly for racist Chinese in Malaysia that never respect Malays.
CKSF- Hide quoted text -
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In a malay dominated Indonesia..........malay relying on malay to run
the country........resulting......corruption run from the top to the
bottom.
The ones bribing are mostly chinese.
Post by yansimon52
Lucky for malaysia where we still see the chinese deputies helping out
in some ministries otherwise, Malaysia would followed the same path as
Indonesia........corruption everywhere........
Malaysian salaries are much higher than Indonesia, but even in
Malaysia, you can bribe a policeman with nasi bungkus.
Yaya Kimura
2008-04-25 15:51:30 UTC
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Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by yansimon52
Post by Mohammed the Holy Fucker
if the Chinese in Malaysia have had respects for the Malays
inside Malaysia in the past ,
the Chinese in Malaysia would not have wanted to take over
Malaysia with the help from
Mr Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore .
It is clear from the article itself that the constitution does not
view non-Malays as equal before the law.
Non-Malays may be second class in Malaysia, but in ASEAN, Malays are
not respected unlike the Non-Malays... why? :-(
Respect is earned, never demanded.
Just as the Nazis never respected the Jews.
Similarly for racist Chinese in Malaysia that never respect Malays.
CKSF- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
In a malay dominated Indonesia..........malay relying on malay to run
the country........resulting......corruption run from the top to the
bottom.
The ones bribing are mostly chinese.
And the ones who receiving briberies happily are Malay top officers.
Besides receive bribes from Chinese, they also receive bribes from
Indian and the Whites.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Malaysia, you can bribe a policeman with nasi bungkus.
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-04-26 05:58:48 UTC
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Post by Yaya Kimura
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by yansimon52
Post by Mohammed the Holy Fucker
if the Chinese in Malaysia have had respects for the Malays
inside Malaysia in the past ,
the Chinese in Malaysia would not have wanted to take over
Malaysia with the help from
Mr Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore .
It is clear from the article itself that the constitution does not
view non-Malays as equal before the law.
Non-Malays may be second class in Malaysia, but in ASEAN, Malays are
not respected unlike the Non-Malays... why? :-(
Respect is earned, never demanded.
Just as the Nazis never respected the Jews.
Similarly for racist Chinese in Malaysia that never respect Malays.
CKSF- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
In a malay dominated Indonesia..........malay relying on malay to run
the country........resulting......corruption run from the top to the
bottom.
The ones bribing are mostly chinese.
And the ones who receiving briberies happily are Malay top officers.
Not from evidences shown on youtube. Chinese and Indians are also
involved.
Post by Yaya Kimura
Besides receive bribes from Chinese, they also receive bribes from
Indian and the Whites.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Malaysia, you can bribe a policeman with nasi bungkus.
Yaya Kimura
2008-04-25 16:35:59 UTC
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Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
The ones bribing are mostly chinese.
And the ones who receiving briberies happily are Malay top officers.
Besides receive bribes from Chinese, they also receive bribes from
Indian and the Whites.
beng1
2008-04-25 16:58:16 UTC
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Post by Yaya Kimura
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
The ones bribing are mostly chinese.
And the ones who receiving briberies happily are Malay top officers.
Besides receive bribes from Chinese, they also receive bribes from
Indian and the Whites.
The Chinese is Singapore will never dare to take bribe. Why?
Because there is no lazy corrupted people to extort for bribes.
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2008-04-26 00:21:28 UTC
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Post by beng1
Post by Yaya Kimura
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
The ones bribing are mostly chinese.
And the ones who receiving briberies happily are Malay top officers.
Besides receive bribes from Chinese, they also receive bribes from
Indian and the Whites.
The Chinese is Singapore will never dare to take bribe. Why?
Because there is no lazy corrupted people to extort for bribes.
Read about Singapura di Landa Todak
it's about a sultan that asked how to solve swordfish problem attacking the
island
and a minister answer "place the banana trunk on the beach" and when the
swordfish attacked they will be stuck on the trunk
http://www.hotelbookingpro.com/Country/Singapore.htm
however the Sultan said "this man is too intelligent and will probably
overtake his seat" and asked the minister to stand on the beach instead and
let the swordfish pierce his legs.

Another thing bout Malaysia is "Malaysia dilanda Tak Nak"

And BN tiga suku buat NegaraKuKu (Malaysia the Crazy Country)
http://www.hotelbookingpro.com/Country/Malaysia.htm
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-04-26 06:04:34 UTC
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Post by beng1
Post by Yaya Kimura
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
The ones bribing are mostly chinese.
And the ones who receiving briberies happily are Malay top officers.
Besides receive bribes from Chinese, they also receive bribes from
Indian and the Whites.
The Chinese is Singapore will never dare to take bribe. Why?
Because there is no lazy corrupted people to extort for bribes.
No bribery? One highly paid minister committed suicide. One fund
raiser misused funds. The difference is only in the amount.

Every tender in Singapore costs much more than in Malaysia. All the
bribery costs are already built into the tender price. Giving more
bribes will bankrupt the contractor. This idea was also quoted by a
fellow chinese NTU lecturer.
yansimon52
2008-04-26 12:45:41 UTC
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Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by beng1
Post by Yaya Kimura
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
The ones bribing are mostly chinese.
And the ones who receiving briberies happily are Malay top officers.
Besides receive bribes from Chinese, they also receive bribes from
Indian and the Whites.
The Chinese is Singapore will never dare to take bribe. Why?
Because there is no lazy corrupted people to extort for bribes.
No bribery? One highly paid minister committed suicide. One fund
raiser misused funds. The difference is only in the amount.
Every tender in Singapore costs much more than in Malaysia. All the
bribery costs are already built into the tender price. Giving more
bribes will bankrupt the contractor. This idea was also quoted by a
fellow chinese NTU lecturer.
Halo haji,,,,,,,,,,are you talking thru your arsehole
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-04-26 13:37:54 UTC
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Post by yansimon52
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by beng1
Post by Yaya Kimura
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
The ones bribing are mostly chinese.
And the ones who receiving briberies happily are Malay top officers.
Besides receive bribes from Chinese, they also receive bribes from
Indian and the Whites.
The Chinese is Singapore will never dare to take bribe. Why?
Because there is no lazy corrupted people to extort for bribes.
No bribery? One highly paid minister committed suicide. One fund
raiser misused funds. The difference is only in the amount.
Every tender in Singapore costs much more than in Malaysia. All the
bribery costs are already built into the tender price. Giving more
bribes will bankrupt the contractor. This idea was also quoted by a
fellow chinese NTU lecturer.
Halo haji,,,,,,,,,,are you talking thru your arsehole
Are you using your head?
yansimon52
2008-04-25 17:22:29 UTC
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Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by yansimon52
if the Chinese in Malaysia   have  had respects  for the Malays
inside  Malaysia  in the  past ,
the Chinese in Malaysia  would  not  have  wanted  to take over
Malaysia  with the  help  from
Mr Lee  Kuan  Yew  in Singapore  .
It is clear from the article itself that the constitution does not
view non-Malays as equal before the law.
Non-Malays may be second class in Malaysia, but in ASEAN, Malays are
not respected unlike the Non-Malays... why? :-(
Respect is earned, never demanded.
Just as the Nazis never respected the Jews.
Similarly for racist Chinese in Malaysia that never respect Malays.
CKSF- Hide quoted text -
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In a malay dominated Indonesia..........malay relying on malay to run
the country........resulting......corruption run from the top to the
bottom.
The ones bribing are mostly chinese.
On that I agrees with you BUT,.........
The different between 'chinese bribing malay' and 'malay bribing
malay' is..........when chinese bribe malay thing 'move' or thing
done.......whereas, when malay bribe malay.........thing not
done.........
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by yansimon52
Lucky for malaysia where we still see the chinese deputies helping out
in some ministries otherwise, Malaysia would followed the same path as
Indonesia........corruption everywhere........
Malaysian salaries are much higher than Indonesia, but even in
Malaysia, you can bribe a policeman with nasi bungkus.- Hide quoted text -
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the Fucking Boudha
2008-04-25 20:17:37 UTC
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Malays giving to Malays in subsidies
or in bribe ,
are still Malays giving Malay money to Malays .

But the Chinese race from China is there in Malaysia
to suck Malay' s money from the Malay people and from the Malay
nation ,
the Chinese are just parasites from China inside the Malay body .
Post by yansimon52
if the Chinese in Malaysia   have  had respects  for the Malays
inside  Malaysia  in the  past ,
the Chinese in Malaysia  would  not  have  wanted  to take over
Malaysia  with the  help  from
Mr Lee  Kuan  Yew  in Singapore  .
It is clear from the article itself that the constitution does not
view non-Malays as equal before the law.
Non-Malays may be second class in Malaysia, but in ASEAN, Malays are
not respected unlike the Non-Malays... why? :-(
Respect is earned, never demanded.
Just as the Nazis never respected the Jews.
Similarly for racist Chinese in Malaysia that never respect Malays.
CKSF- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
In a malay dominated Indonesia..........malay relying on malay to run
the country........resulting......corruption run from the top to the
bottom.
Lucky for malaysia where we still see the chinese deputies helping out
in some ministries otherwise, Malaysia would followed the same path as
Indonesia........corruption everywhere........- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
yansimon52
2008-04-26 01:02:02 UTC
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Malays  giving to Malays  in subsidies
or in bribe ,
are  still Malays   giving   Malay money to Malays .
But the Chinese  race from China is  there in Malaysia
  to suck  Malay' s  money from the  Malay people and from the  Malay
nation  ,
the Chinese are just  parasites from China inside  the  Malay  body .
Are you oso referring your analogy to the malay in Sg?

Halo.........Sg is a chinese dominated society and the malay in Sg
totally rely on the chinese to show them the way......and waht do we
see?

Since, the malay are relying on the chinese (in Sg) you see most malay
families are enjoying the fruits of the harvest.....you see malay
families driving new cars (cars in Sg is much more expensive..2.1/2
time more than cars in Malaysia) and owning new homes.......how about
that?
Post by yansimon52
if the Chinese in Malaysia   have  had respects  for the Malays
inside  Malaysia  in the  past ,
the Chinese in Malaysia  would  not  have  wanted  to take over
Malaysia  with the  help  from
Mr Lee  Kuan  Yew  in Singapore  .
It is clear from the article itself that the constitution does not
view non-Malays as equal before the law.
Non-Malays may be second class in Malaysia, but in ASEAN, Malays are
not respected unlike the Non-Malays... why? :-(
Respect is earned, never demanded.
Just as the Nazis never respected the Jews.
Similarly for racist Chinese in Malaysia that never respect Malays.
CKSF- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
In a malay dominated Indonesia..........malay relying on malay to run
the country........resulting......corruption run from the top to the
bottom.
Lucky for malaysia where we still see the chinese deputies helping out
in some ministries otherwise, Malaysia would followed the same path as
Indonesia........corruption everywhere........- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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.•:*¨¨*:•. ® George Ramayah ™ .•:*¨¨*:•.
2008-04-26 03:07:21 UTC
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Malays  giving to Malays  in subsidies
or in bribe ,
are  still Malays   giving   Malay money to Malays .
But the Chinese  race from China is  there in Malaysia
  to suck  Malay' s  money from the  Malay people and from the  Malay
nation  ,
the Chinese are just  parasites from China inside  the  Malay  body .
Deranged fucking Jap Komin,
Are you denying you are
that fucking moronic deranged Jap Komin, who is stealing Cambodian
jobs and sodomising Cambodian monkeys?
.•:*¨¨*:•. ® George Ramayah ™ .•:*¨¨*:•.
2008-04-26 03:06:22 UTC
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if the Chinese in Malaysia   have  had respects  for the Malays
inside  Malaysia  in the  past ,
the Chinese in Malaysia  would  not  have  wanted  to take over
Malaysia  with the  help  from
Mr Lee  Kuan  Yew  in Singapore  .
Deranged fucking Jap Komin,

Are you denying you are
that fucking moronic deranged Jap Komin, who is stealing Cambodian
jobs and sodomising Cambodian monkeys?
beng1
2008-04-25 16:26:52 UTC
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Post by Mohammed the Holy Fucker
of course the Chinese want equality in Malaysia as the Chinese
first step to take over Malaysia .
It is quite clear that the Malays like you have no confidence in
yourself.
You are afraid the smarter, more intelligence and hardworking Chinese
and Indian will take over your home as well,
so you rather not have any progress and keep other race down, so that
you look good.

This is good for Singapore and other neighbouring countries actually,
they will all progress while Malaysia digress.
Ha ha ha....
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-04-26 06:00:23 UTC
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Post by beng1
Post by Mohammed the Holy Fucker
of course the Chinese want equality in Malaysia as the Chinese
first step to take over Malaysia .
It is quite clear that the Malays like you have no confidence in
yourself.
You are afraid the smarter, more intelligence and hardworking Chinese
and Indian will take over your home as well,
so you rather not have any progress and keep other race down, so that
What is the point of so called progress if it does not benefit the
Malays??

The chinese felt kept down, because they are just too greedy. They
want it all for themselves, bribing and stealing from Malays.
Post by beng1
you look good.
This is good for Singapore and other neighbouring countries actually,
they will all progress while Malaysia digress.
Ha ha ha....
Monster
2008-04-27 08:40:13 UTC
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Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by beng1
of  course  the  Chinese want  equality in Malaysia  as the  Chinese
first  step  to take over  Malaysia .
It is quite clear that the Malays like you have no confidence in
yourself.
You are afraid the smarter, more intelligence and hardworking Chinese
and Indian will take over your home as well,
so you rather not have any progress and keep other race down, so that
What is the point of so called progress if it does not benefit the
Malays??
The chinese felt kept down, because they are just too greedy. They
want it all for themselves, bribing and stealing from Malays.
Post by beng1
you look good.
This is good for Singapore and other neighbouring countries actually,
they will all progress while Malaysia digress.
Ha ha ha....
Let's face it, the government has been very generous in its
"affirmative action" policies and by and large, these policies are
supported by Chinese and Indian Malaysians as being necessary for the
advancement of the society.

However, after thirty-odd years of the NEP, those it has meant to
benefit have allegedly still not managed to catch up. One is inclined
to think that if the beneficiaries of the policy still cannot rectify
the situation after thirty years, when will they ever? A lot of my
hard-working bumiputera colleagues are still relatively poor despite
all these years of "affirmative action". One only has to look at the
ultra-rich ruling class to see where the problem lies.

As for corruption and bribery, it takes two to tango and this has
unfortunately become the price of doing business in Malaysia. The
lack of transparency w.r.t. government tenders, and the award of
government contracts without competitive bidding, only perpetuates the
problem.

So don't blame the Chinese and the Indians. It is the bumiputera
politicians who are corrupting the country, enriching themselves at
the expense of their constituents. Who put them there in the first
place - certainly not me.
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-04-27 14:30:43 UTC
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Post by Monster
However, after thirty-odd years of the NEP, those it has meant to
benefit have allegedly still not managed to catch up. One is inclined
to think that if the beneficiaries of the policy still cannot rectify
the situation after thirty years, when will they ever? A lot of my
hard-working bumiputera colleagues are still relatively poor despite
Are they given the affirmative action?
Post by Monster
all these years of "affirmative action". One only has to look at the
ultra-rich ruling class to see where the problem lies.
As for corruption and bribery, it takes two to tango and this has
And yet you blame only one party, the Malays, and not those who
actually pay the bribes, and thus perpetuating the briberies.
Post by Monster
unfortunately become the price of doing business in Malaysia. The
lack of transparency w.r.t. government tenders, and the award of
government contracts without competitive bidding, only perpetuates the
problem.
So don't blame the Chinese and the Indians. It is the bumiputera
politicians who are corrupting the country, enriching themselves at
the expense of their constituents. Who put them there in the first
place - certainly not me.
Monster
2008-04-27 15:53:10 UTC
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Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
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Post by Monster
However, after thirty-odd years of the NEP, those it has meant to
benefit have allegedly still not managed to catch up.  One is inclined
to think that if the beneficiaries of the policy still cannot rectify
the situation after thirty years, when will they ever?  A lot of my
hard-working bumiputera colleagues are still relatively poor despite
Are they given the affirmative action?
Post by Monster
all these years of "affirmative action".  One only has to look at the
ultra-rich ruling class to see where the problem lies.
As for corruption and bribery, it takes two to tango and this has
And yet you blame only one party, the Malays, and not those who
actually pay the bribes, and thus perpetuating the briberies.
Post by Monster
unfortunately become the price of doing business in Malaysia.  The
lack of transparency w.r.t. government tenders, and the award of
government contracts without competitive bidding, only perpetuates the
problem.
So don't blame the Chinese and the Indians.  It is the bumiputera
politicians who are corrupting the country, enriching themselves at
the expense of their constituents.  Who put them there in the first
place - certainly not me.
Are they given the affirmative action?
You know better than me that they are given affirmative action - I
really have nothing against the affirmative action that was given.
However, the help given to these people was small compared to that
given to those in the Malay ruling class. As you well know, the kids
of well-off Malays were given scholarships to study overseas and in
good universities, while Mister Average Bumiputera Scholar had to put
up with studying in local universities (if at all).

Let's get something straight, I am all for affirmative action, it
makes society fairer as a whole and one would expect that those who
have been helped will in turn help others. Unfortunately, the reality
is that the majority of those who have benefited from government
scholarships have not bothered honoring their bonds or paying back
their loans.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
And yet you blame only one party, the Malays, and not those who
actually pay the bribes, and thus perpetuating the briberies.
As I've said it take twos to tango, and obviously both parties need to
share the blame for this. That said, it wasn't the Chinese
businessmen who did away with the checks and balances which are
required in a parliamentary democracy. Who did away with the
independent press, the independent judiciary and the opposition? And
who kept those people there???
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-04-27 16:27:23 UTC
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Post by Monster
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
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Post by Monster
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by Monster
So don't blame the Chinese and the Indians. It is the bumiputera
politicians who are corrupting the country, enriching themselves at
the expense of their constituents. Who put them there in the first
place - certainly not me.
Are they given the affirmative action?
The above is not the postion of my question. You've dishonestly moved
it to this paragraph making it out of context completely.
Post by Monster
You know better than me that they are given affirmative action - I
You are lying. You've no proof whatsoever that this is happening.
Officially they are not supposed to be given unless they have good
results in the exams and are not rich enough.

Despite going overseas myself under this affirmative action, I've not
seen any clear evidence that this is happening. It may not even be
UMNO members who are misusing the system but corrupt government
officials.

One of my college mates argue that a few rich Malays may not want to
spend money to send their children overseas because they think that it
is not worth it. By rich, I take it to mean, holding a high government
position or having assets in millions, not billions.

Most of them are qualified although some failed in UK. Some of those
who failed may even be straight A students. They suffer from mental
problems.
Post by Monster
really have nothing against the affirmative action that was given.
However, the help given to these people was small compared to that
given to those in the Malay ruling class. As you well know, the kids
This is most probably a lie because I don't see any clear evidence of
this.
Post by Monster
of well-off Malays were given scholarships to study overseas and in
good universities, while Mister Average Bumiputera Scholar had to put
up with studying in local universities (if at all).
Definitely false. My son was offered overseas loans/scholarships but
he chose to study locally under Petronas sponsorship which consists of
a loan which can be converted into a bond, which they call
Scholarship.

At UTP, a few students have a rich parent, i.e. own a small factory,
so that each of them were given a new Satria Neo car.
Post by Monster
Let's get something straight, I am all for affirmative action, it
makes society fairer as a whole and one would expect that those who
have been helped will in turn help others. Unfortunately, the reality
is that the majority of those who have benefited from government
scholarships have not bothered honoring their bonds or paying back
This is again a lie. I have never met anyone who have broken their
bonds.

Nowadays, it is all loans, no longer bonds, so they can choose their
employers that allow them to repay their loans. That is why many have
refused to return to Malaysia.
Post by Monster
their loans.
This is again completely false. If you don't pay your loans, your
names will be published in newspapers, even if it is only RM1,000.
This happened to a colleague of mine.
Post by Monster
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
And yet you blame only one party, the Malays, and not those who
actually pay the bribes, and thus perpetuating the briberies.
As I've said it take twos to tango, and obviously both parties need to
share the blame for this. That said, it wasn't the Chinese
businessmen who did away with the checks and balances which are
required in a parliamentary democracy. Who did away with the
independent press, the independent judiciary and the opposition? And
who kept those people there???
You cannot blame UMNO or any of the BN high officials always. Some are
due to government officials.
Monster
2008-04-28 11:30:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
The above is not the postion of my question. You've dishonestly moved
it to this paragraph making it out of context completely.
As far as I can see, your statement "Are they given the affirmative
action?" relates to my comment that a lot of my esteemed bumiputera
colleagues are still relatively poor despite affirmative action. So
where is the lie in my reply.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
You are lying. You've no proof whatsoever that this is happening.
Officially they are not supposed to be given unless they have good
results in the exams and are not rich enough.
You are the one who's lying. Or perhaps you are just blind. Of
course, the operative word here is "Officially". Officially, Malaysia
Boleh. Officially, the government and all politicians are clean,
incorruptible, efficient and selfless in their vision to create a
Bangsa Malaysia. It is what is happening unofficially that makes the
world of difference. I used to work with a Malay colleague whose
father was a Malaysian ambassador, no less. Yes he had a government
scholarship. When I asked how come my parents, as humble civil
servants, could send five children to overseas universities while his
father, on an ambassador's income, couldn't afford to send one son to
study in the US, his reply was that it was expensive to send people to
study there.

I am all in favour of the government giving scholarships to bumiputera
students to better their opportunities overseas, and I really do wish
them well. However, I do think that there are perhaps other
bumiputera in greater need than my former colleague.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
This is again a lie. I have never met anyone who have broken their
bonds.
I have. The place I used to work - one of the largest multinationals
and amongst the country's top tax-payers - is full of them. Want some
names???
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
You cannot blame UMNO or any of the BN high officials always. Some are
due to government officials.
I agree, some unscrupulous government officials have played their part
in corrupting the country. I also accept that it is not the UMNO
organisation or the BN which is to blame. However, the fact remains
that over the past 25 years, 1) the free press has been de-fanged; 2)
the judiciary has been neutered and 3) the opposition (up to GE12) has
been bullied into submission. This may well have been the
responsibility of one or two people in power. Unfortunately, in
turning a blind eye to this excess, UMNO and the BN machinery are
complicit in allowing the country to go down the drain.

But hey, don't take my word for it - ask the 50% of the voters who did
not vote BN this time around.
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-04-28 12:36:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Monster
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
The above is not the postion of my question. You've dishonestly moved
it to this paragraph making it out of context completely.
As far as I can see, your statement "Are they given the affirmative
action?" relates to my comment that a lot of my esteemed bumiputera
colleagues are still relatively poor despite affirmative action. So
where is the lie in my reply.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
You are lying. You've no proof whatsoever that this is happening.
Officially they are not supposed to be given unless they have good
results in the exams and are not rich enough.
You are the one who's lying. Or perhaps you are just blind. Of
course, the operative word here is "Officially". Officially, Malaysia
Boleh. Officially, the government and all politicians are clean,
incorruptible, efficient and selfless in their vision to create a
Bangsa Malaysia. It is what is happening unofficially that makes the
world of difference. I used to work with a Malay colleague whose
So you believe that 100% of the happenings in Malaysia are all
unofficial, and that none of the official policies are actually
followed?

Then you are surely lying.
Post by Monster
father was a Malaysian ambassador, no less. Yes he had a government
scholarship. When I asked how come my parents, as humble civil
servants, could send five children to overseas universities while his
father, on an ambassador's income, couldn't afford to send one son to
study in the US, his reply was that it was expensive to send people to
study there.
Have you ever considered the salary of a Malaysian ambassador?
If a MInister's salary is only RM10,000/month, how much do you think
the salary of an Ambassador is? And this is clean, taxable income, no
capital allowances at all.

In fact, even a Minister cannot afford to send their children
overseas, if they rely on government salaries.
Post by Monster
I am all in favour of the government giving scholarships to bumiputera
students to better their opportunities overseas, and I really do wish
them well. However, I do think that there are perhaps other
bumiputera in greater need than my former colleague.
It all depends on their results. I'm sure the Ambassador's son does
not want to be given the so called "scholarship" because it is bonded,
and had to be paid back, and subject to so many restrictions.
Post by Monster
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
This is again a lie. I have never met anyone who have broken their
bonds.
I have. The place I used to work - one of the largest multinationals
and amongst the country's top tax-payers - is full of them. Want some
names???
Why don't you give them?

For your info, the bonding had been replaced by "loans" many years
ago.

For JPA scholars, during the bonding time, if they cannot give them
jobs in the public sector, they allow them to work for any company in
Malaysia. Even Shell scholars were bonded this way. One was even
released from the bonding because Shell cannot give him a job.

That is why, there is no more bonding, only loans, in lieu of bonding.
Post by Monster
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
You cannot blame UMNO or any of the BN high officials always. Some are
due to government officials.
I agree, some unscrupulous government officials have played their part
in corrupting the country. I also accept that it is not the UMNO
organisation or the BN which is to blame. However, the fact remains
that over the past 25 years, 1) the free press has been de-fanged; 2)
the judiciary has been neutered and 3) the opposition (up to GE12) has
been bullied into submission. This may well have been the
responsibility of one or two people in power. Unfortunately, in
turning a blind eye to this excess, UMNO and the BN machinery are
complicit in allowing the country to go down the drain.
You have a point and many will agree with you.
Post by Monster
But hey, don't take my word for it - ask the 50% of the voters who did
not vote BN this time around.
But it has nothing to do with any failure of NEP.
Monster
2008-04-29 09:59:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by Monster
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
The above is not the postion of my question. You've dishonestly moved
it to this paragraph making it out of context completely.
As far as I can see, your statement "Are they given the affirmative
action?" relates to my comment that a lot of my esteemed bumiputera
colleagues are still relatively poor despite affirmative action.  So
where is the lie in my reply.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
You are lying. You've no proof whatsoever that this is happening.
Officially they are not supposed to be given unless they have good
results in the exams and are not rich enough.
You are the one who's lying.  Or perhaps you are just blind.  Of
course, the operative word here is "Officially".  Officially, Malaysia
Boleh.  Officially, the government and all politicians are clean,
incorruptible, efficient and selfless in their vision to create a
Bangsa Malaysia.  It is what is happening unofficially that makes the
world of difference.  I used to work with a Malay colleague whose
So you believe that 100% of the happenings in Malaysia are all
unofficial, and that none of the official policies are actually
followed?
Then you are surely lying.
Post by Monster
father was a Malaysian ambassador, no less.  Yes he had a government
scholarship.  When I asked how come my parents, as humble civil
servants, could send five children to overseas universities while his
father, on an ambassador's income, couldn't afford to send one son to
study in the US, his reply was that it was expensive to send people to
study there.
Have you ever considered the salary of a Malaysian ambassador?
If a MInister's salary is only RM10,000/month, how much do you think
the salary of an Ambassador is? And this is clean, taxable income, no
capital allowances at all.
In fact, even a Minister cannot afford to send their children
overseas, if they rely on government salaries.
Post by Monster
I am all in favour of the government giving scholarships to bumiputera
students to better their opportunities overseas, and I really do wish
them well.  However, I do think that there are perhaps other
bumiputera in greater need than my former colleague.
It all depends on their results. I'm sure the Ambassador's son does
not want to be given the so called "scholarship" because it is bonded,
and had to be paid back, and subject to so many restrictions.
Post by Monster
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
This is again a lie. I have never met anyone who have broken their
bonds.
I have.  The place I used to work - one of the largest multinationals
and amongst the country's top tax-payers - is full of them.  Want some
names???
Why don't you give them?
For your info, the bonding had been replaced by "loans" many years
ago.
For JPA scholars, during the bonding time, if they cannot give them
jobs in the public sector, they allow them to work for any company in
Malaysia. Even Shell scholars were bonded this way. One was even
released from the bonding because Shell cannot give him a job.
That is why, there is no more bonding, only loans, in lieu of bonding.
Post by Monster
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
You cannot blame UMNO or any of the BN high officials always. Some are
due to government officials.
I agree, some unscrupulous government officials have played their part
in corrupting the country.  I also accept that it is not the UMNO
organisation or the BN which is to blame.  However, the fact remains
that over the past 25 years, 1) the free press has been de-fanged; 2)
the judiciary has been neutered and 3) the opposition (up to GE12) has
been bullied into submission.  This may well have been the
responsibility of one or two people in power.  Unfortunately, in
turning a blind eye to this excess, UMNO and the BN machinery are
complicit in allowing the country to go down the drain.
You have a point and many will agree with you.
Post by Monster
But hey, don't take my word for it - ask the 50% of the voters who did
not vote BN this time around.
But it has nothing to do with any failure of NEP.
Well - if a minister earns "only" RM10,000 per month, then you can
imagine how much two teachers can get in a month.

Just to set the record straight, I am in favour of the NEP. The
vision of giving the poor and the less fortunate a leg up is an
admirable one. It is the way the policy has been abused that
disappoints me.

As the saying goes, when you give a man a fish you feed him only
once. When you teach a man how to fish, you feed him forever. This,
I believe, is the challenge of the NEP.
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-05-03 15:43:44 UTC
Permalink
...
Post by Monster
Well - if a minister earns "only" RM10,000 per month, then you can
imagine how much two teachers can get in a month.
So don't try to pretend that you can educate your children overseas
unless they are the very best from the nation. If it were the sons of
Ambassadors, let them be sponsored by the government, as long as they
are the best that Malaysia has produced.

Even Singapore follows this policy, except that they still follow the
bonding scholarships very closely, even for foreigners. Singapore
gives loans but didn't request for repayment, only bonding, unlike
Malaysia.
Post by Monster
Just to set the record straight, I am in favour of the NEP. The
vision of giving the poor and the less fortunate a leg up is an
admirable one. It is the way the policy has been abused that
disappoints me.
As the saying goes, when you give a man a fish you feed him only
once. When you teach a man how to fish, you feed him forever. This,
I believe, is the challenge of the NEP.
At least you start using your brain, unlike many of the racist
chinese. And please stop the lies that it was the Malays or
Malaysians, who started these NEP policies. It was started by the
British much much earlier and much more efficiently. It is the Malays
who abandoned NEP according to the original objective and replacing it
with corruptions by awarding contracts to cronies by a much larger
amount compared to educational assistances that are designed for the
poor, instead of just the middle class.
baldeagle
2008-05-03 23:37:52 UTC
Permalink
xxx
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Even Singapore follows this policy, except that they still follow the
bonding scholarships very closely, even for foreigners. Singapore
gives loans but didn't request for repayment, only bonding, unlike
Malaysia.
I think ..there is a great difference between scholarship given
by Singapore and educational loan given to Malays.

In Singapore, scholarships are given ONLY to top students
who have no problem in obtaining their degrees in flying
colours even in top Ivy league universities

Educational loans are given to Malay students who may
failed their exams in 2nd tier universities in the US or UK.
Without a degree, they may not get good jobs... it is unfair
to expect them to repay their loans.
The loans should not have been granted in the first place...

Your comparison seen in this perspective is not sound.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
And please stop the lies that it was the Malays or
Malaysians, who started these NEP policies.
Is it a lie?
Was it not the late Tun Razak who launched the NEP
in 1971, after the racial riot in 1969. The NEP give
Malays extra privileges in the form of quotas, in
employment and in share in companies....apart
from scholarships and free education.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
........ It was started by the British much much earlier ...
Yes. Under the colonial government, Malays were given
certain privileges over non-Malays.... but NEP is different
in scope and nature.
Singapore still maintain this colonial privileges for Malays...
free education up to University level, and have enhanced
it by grants to help poor Malay families,..

If the colonial help for the Malays is regarded as NEP,
then is Singapore having NEP also...to help the Malays
in Singapore.

I am sure...you would dispute this point about NEP
for Singapore Malays.

and much more efficiently. It is the Malays
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
who abandoned NEP according to the original objective and replacing it
with corruptions by awarding contracts to cronies by a much larger
amount compared to educational assistances that are designed for the
poor, instead of just the middle class.
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-05-04 11:02:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by baldeagle
xxx
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Even Singapore follows this policy, except that they still follow the
bonding scholarships very closely, even for foreigners. Singapore
gives loans but didn't request for repayment, only bonding, unlike
Malaysia.
I think ..there is a great difference between scholarship given
by Singapore and educational loan given to Malays.
In Singapore, scholarships are given ONLY to top students
who have no problem in obtaining their degrees in flying
colours even in top Ivy league universities
These are overseas scholarships that are most probably bonding
scholarships.

Singapore also offers virually every student admitted to Singaporean
Universities and Polytechniks, loans that need not be paid back but
bonded to work anywhere in Singapore for a few years.

Many Sabahans are benefiting from these loans and they are not the top
students.
Post by baldeagle
Educational loans are given to Malay students who may
failed their exams in 2nd tier universities in the US or UK.
Without a degree, they may not get good jobs... it is unfair
to expect them to repay their loans.
The loans should not have been granted in the first place...
Your comparison seen in this perspective is not sound.
Because you don't fully understand what I'd written.

At least you seem to admit that Malaysia no longer give scholarships
but loans, unlike Singapore.
Post by baldeagle
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
And please stop the lies that it was the Malays or
Malaysians, who started these NEP policies.
Is it a lie?
Was it not the late Tun Razak who launched the NEP
in 1971, after the racial riot in 1969. The NEP give
Malays extra privileges in the form of quotas, in
employment and in share in companies....apart
from scholarships and free education.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
........ It was started by the British much much earlier ...
Yes. Under the colonial government, Malays were given
certain privileges over non-Malays.... but NEP is different
in scope and nature.
It may be different but it was started by the British.
Post by baldeagle
Singapore still maintain this colonial privileges for Malays...
free education up to University level, and have enhanced
it by grants to help poor Malay families,..
You mean Mendaki. This is not necessarily a grant but a revolving loan
funds.

The worst fact is that it is now no longer unlimited unlike
previously, but ironically unlimited for non-Malays and even
Malaysians or overseas students who are accepted by Singaporean
university institutions, or at least that is what I practically
observe.
Post by baldeagle
If the colonial help for the Malays is regarded as NEP,
then is Singapore having NEP also...to help the Malays
in Singapore.
I am sure...you would dispute this point about NEP
You'll be surprised. I am the one who pointed out that Singapore was
the ones who give much better privileges to Malays than even Malaysia
just before Goh Chok Thong introduced Mendaki to limit the fund to
educate Malays.

Many Malays are not happy because they had to apply for it and
therefore highly politicised.
Post by baldeagle
for Singapore Malays.
and much more efficiently. It is the Malays
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
who abandoned NEP according to the original objective and replacing it
with corruptions by awarding contracts to cronies by a much larger
amount compared to educational assistances that are designed for the
poor, instead of just the middle class.
baldeagle
2008-05-04 15:08:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by baldeagle
I am sure...you would dispute this point about NEP
You'll be surprised. I am the one who pointed out that Singapore was
the ones who give much better privileges to Malays than even Malaysia
just before Goh Chok Thong introduced Mendaki to limit the fund to
educate Malays.
Many Malays are not happy because they had to apply for it and
therefore highly politicised.
Please...don't deviate like a snake.
Give a direct reply...Is Singapore having
NEP for Malays ?
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-05-05 14:45:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by baldeagle
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by baldeagle
I am sure...you would dispute this point about NEP
You'll be surprised. I am the one who pointed out that Singapore was
the ones who give much better privileges to Malays than even Malaysia
just before Goh Chok Thong introduced Mendaki to limit the fund to
educate Malays.
Many Malays are not happy because they had to apply for it and
therefore highly politicised.
Please...don't deviate like a snake.
Give a direct reply...Is Singapore having
NEP for Malays ?
I can't give you a straight answer because you don't give a straight
question.

What do you mean by YOUR NEP???

I can only guess from your other verses.

Officially, and by right correctly, there has never been any NEP for
any Malaysian for AGES.
It was abandoned a long-long time ago, and yet stupid and hypocritical
racist chinese like you still insist that it still exists.

If you mean NEP, as a form of affirmative action, yes, it used to
exist in much greater effectiveness in Singapore than in Malaysia.

That was before Mendaki was formed in Singapore in order to
dicriminate against Malays. I got this information from the Mendaki
website and personal information by holders of Singapore government
educational aid holders, many of whom are Sabahans.
Mohammed the Holy Fucker
2008-05-11 00:32:50 UTC
Permalink
the Chinese in Malaysia are using all sorts of excuses to
take Malaysia for the Chinese people in China .

the Chinese in Malaysia want to make Malaysia into their own
Chinese nation on Malaysia .

the Chinese in Malaysia want Malaysia to be Chinese lands .

luckily the Umno exists to push back the Chinese to stay
where
they Chinese belong.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
...
Post by Monster
Well - if a minister earns "only" RM10,000 per month, then you can
imagine how much two teachers can get in a month.
So don't try to pretend that you can educate your children overseas
unless they are the very best from the nation. If it were the sons of
Ambassadors, let them be sponsored by the government, as long as they
are the best that Malaysia has produced.
Even Singapore follows this policy, except that they still follow the
bonding scholarships very closely, even for foreigners. Singapore
gives loans but didn't request for repayment, only bonding, unlike
Malaysia.
Post by Monster
Just to set the record straight, I am in favour of the NEP.  The
vision of giving the poor and the less fortunate a leg up is an
admirable one.  It is the way the policy has been abused that
disappoints me.
As the saying goes, when you give a man a fish you feed him only
once.  When you teach a man how to fish, you feed him forever.  This,
I believe, is the challenge of the NEP.
At least  you start using your brain, unlike many of the racist
chinese. And please stop the lies that it was the Malays or
Malaysians, who started these NEP policies. It was started by the
British much much earlier and much more efficiently. It is the Malays
who abandoned NEP according to the original objective and replacing it
with corruptions by awarding contracts to cronies by a much larger
amount compared to educational assistances that are designed for the
poor, instead of just the middle class.
baldeagle
2008-04-28 01:43:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
And yet you blame only one party, the Malays,
Yes. UMNO (the party for Malays) should be held
responsible for the poverty of Malays after almost 40
years of NEP.
The Malay fat cats in UMNO are the ones who exploited
the poor Malays and condemned them to perpectual
poverty for generations to come.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
....................... and not those who
actually pay the bribes, and thus perpetuating the briberies.
The fat cats in UMNO awarded contracts to themselves...
and forced the Chinese and Indians to pay them bribes in
order to be subcontractors.
The Chinese and Indians have no choice but to pay the bribes
demanded. Result: The Chinese and Indian do the dirty work...
pay millions in bribe to the fat cats in UMNO.
Who is to blame ?

The POOR Malays have no chance at all....left out in the
cold...to suffer abject poverty for 40 years now...and many
more years to come (if the situation remains)

The ONLY solution...to revamp the NEP and to kick out
UMNO.
Anwar is set to do this...the Chinese and Indians are very
happy that he is doing it.
achtung
2008-04-28 03:56:32 UTC
Permalink
why you so sure Anwar can do the job?
He is equally corrupted with a record to prove
Post by baldeagle
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
And yet you blame only one party, the Malays,
Yes. UMNO (the party for Malays) should be held
responsible for the poverty of Malays after almost 40
years of NEP.
The Malay fat cats in UMNO are the ones who exploited
the poor Malays and condemned  them to perpectual
poverty for generations to come.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
....................... and not those who
actually pay the bribes, and thus perpetuating the briberies.
The fat cats in UMNO awarded contracts to themselves...
and forced the Chinese and Indians to pay them bribes in
order to be subcontractors.
The Chinese and Indians have no choice but to pay the bribes
demanded. Result: The Chinese and Indian do the dirty work...
pay millions in bribe to the fat cats in UMNO.
Who is to blame ?
The POOR Malays have no chance at all....left out in the
cold...to suffer abject poverty for 40 years now...and many
more years to come (if the situation remains)
The ONLY solution...to revamp the NEP and to kick out
UMNO.
Anwar is set to do this...the Chinese and Indians are very
happy that he is doing it.
baldeagle
2008-04-28 11:46:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by achtung
why you so sure Anwar can do the job?
He is equally corrupted with a record to prove
Corrupt ? Who is not corrupt ? Bush, Dr. M,
LHL.....?

As far as the poor Malays are concerned, Anwar
has a better image. He promised to change NEP,
promised to more efficient ...promise to listen
more....

Can he do the job..?
Only God and time can tell.

Judging from the short time his party has taken
over the Perak local govt, he is a man of his words.
Poor Malays and Chinese in Perak are all given
permanent lease to the land and homes.....
(BN failed to do so after more than 30 years...they
were given temporary lease which had to be renewed
regularly....a source for kopi money for local
officials.)
Tenders have been called for government contracts
in Perak. (under BN, this was NEVER done)
This is a good start
Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
2008-04-28 12:42:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by baldeagle
Post by achtung
He is equally corrupted with a record to prove
Corrupt ? Who is not corrupt ? Bush, Dr. M,
LHL.....?
As far as the poor Malays are concerned, Anwar
has a better image. He promised to change NEP,
promised to more efficient ...promise to listen
more....
This is his most important character. The ability to listen.
I disagree with many of his ideas, but hopefully, the ability to
listen to reasons will make him and understand.

His ability to convince others is even more impressive. Imagine anyone
who can make DAP and PAS work together. Anwar did it.


Abdullah promised to listen, but no action at all. Abdullah is almost
devoid of any ability to do analysis, relying too much on his
advisors.
Post by baldeagle
Can he do the job..?
Only God and time can tell.
Judging from the short time his party has taken
over the Perak local govt, he is a man of his words.
Poor Malays and Chinese in Perak are all given
permanent lease to the land and homes.....
(BN failed to do so after more than 30 years...they
were given temporary lease which had to be renewed
regularly....a source for kopi money for local
officials.)
Tenders have been called for government contracts
in Perak. (under BN, this was NEVER done)
This is a good start
baldeagle
2008-05-03 23:09:18 UTC
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Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Post by baldeagle
Post by achtung
He is equally corrupted with a record to prove
Corrupt ? Who is not corrupt ? Bush, Dr. M,
LHL.....?
As far as the poor Malays are concerned, Anwar
has a better image. He promised to change NEP,
promised to more efficient ...promise to listen
more....
This is his most important character. The ability to listen.
I disagree with many of his ideas, but hopefully, the ability to
listen to reasons will make him and understand.
His ability to convince others is even more impressive. Imagine anyone
who can make DAP and PAS work together. Anwar did it.
I am not sure how much Anwar can take credit for
this...getting DAP and PAS to form a united front
against BN.
I think, BN's mishandling of issues close to the
hearts of Chinese and Indians was an important
factor that saw BN losing five states...and making
them realised that a united front could defeat BN
in the coming election.
For power, they have to push their difference to
the back burner.
Post by Ir. Hj. Othman bin Ahmad
Abdullah promised to listen, but no action at all. Abdullah is almost
devoid of any ability to do analysis, relying too much on his
advisors.
No leaders can do everything by themselves...All good leader
have to rely on their generals to do things for them. He must
first get a team of able generals.
Pah Lah's problem was that he has NO good generals working
for him...he tried to do too many things by himself...and
he trusted his son in law too much. He is not an able leader.
Politikus
2008-05-04 03:40:48 UTC
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Post by baldeagle
Pah Lah's problem was that he has NO good generals working
for him...he tried to do too many things by himself...and
he trusted his son in law too much.  He is not an able leader.
And many in UMNO prefer to keep it that way... :-(

<<< Fast Forward Asia <<<
baldeagle
2008-05-04 06:36:43 UTC
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Post by Politikus
Post by baldeagle
Pah Lah's problem was that he has NO good generals working
for him...he tried to do too many things by himself...and
he trusted his son in law too much. He is not an able leader.
And many in UMNO prefer to keep it that way... :-(
Sad for Malaysia.
L***@aol.com
2008-04-26 01:37:58 UTC
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of  course  the  Chinese want  equality in Malaysia  as the  Chinese
first  step  to take over  Malaysia .
well,  Glock 18 said  before
that the  Malay Agong  protected   all  Chinese  in Malaysia by
enforcing
 the  Malay 's   discriminatory Malaysian  laws  against the Chinese
in Malaysia .
 .
 Non-Malays merely asking for equality
 http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/81596
It is clear from the article itself that the constitution does not
view non-Malays as equal before the law.
In real life situations, such as the amount of wealth and resources
consumed by non-Malays far exceed the Malays making them enjoy a much
better standard of living.
The attempt of the constitution is to make sure that Malays will
achieve parity with the non-Malays. Once this is achieved, there is
not point in using the special privileges granted by the constitution
because they can compete on equal merits. No quota or special
privileges needed to be applied in order to allow for their active
participation in the Malaysian economy, commensurate with their
numbers.
==============================================
caveat fair use notice:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
Non-Malays merely asking for equality
Derek Law | Apr 18, 08 4:24pm
I refer to the Malaysiakini report Tengku Faris: Non-Malays should not
seek equality.
It is very disturbing that Tengku Faris, the future Sultan of Kelantan
and possibly Yang di-Pertuan Agong uttered such words, as the
fundamental role of the monarchy is to protect all Malaysians
regardless of religion or race. However, with the monarchy playing a
more active role in nation-building as exemplified by the Regent of
Perak, HRH Raja Nazrin Shah, it is only natural to have conflicting
views from the monarchy.
Nonetheless, Malaysians believe (or hope to believe) that Tengku Faris
has been wrongly advised or misinformed of the actual political
situation in Malaysia, as his speech sounds more like speeches made
during Umno meetings.
The constitution in Malaysia is unique. Article 8 (1) of the Federal
Constitution states that ‘All persons are equal before the law and
entitled to the equal protection of the law’. Thus, all citizens,
regardless of religion or race, have equal rights under citizenship
such as the right to vote, access to education, etc.
However, Article 153 talks about the special position of the Malays/
bumiputeras and the reservation of positions in the public service,
scholarships and other similar educational or training privileges or
special facilities for the Malays/bumiputeras. However, Article 153
has a caveat that such reservation shall not deprive any person of any
public office or of the continuance of any scholarship or other
educational or training privileges or special facilities.
In addition, Article 136 states: ‘All persons of whatever race in the
same grade in the service of the Federation shall, subject to the
terms and conditions of their employment, be treated impartially’.
Thus, if read in totality, the federal constitution accords equal
protection to all citizens but has accorded a special position for the
Malays/bumiputeras. The non-Malays/non-bumiputeras have always
accepted the special position of the Malays/bumiputeras and the Islam
as the official religion of the country and have never questioned
this.
What the non-Malays/non-bumiputeras are merely asking for is equality
as enshrined in the federal constitution.
And it is an error to equate Malay unity as votes for Umno. Malay
Unity or any ‘community unity’ for that matter, means that the
community shares common aspirations such as education and employment
opportunities for their future generations, feeling safe at home and
in public and a strong and resilient economy, etc.
However, this does not mean that the entire community must agree with
all the aspirations or with the ways to achieve those aspirations.
This is the fundamental principle of a democratic society. There must
always be ground for disagreement but fundamentally, the aspirations
of the community are similar among the members.
On the same note, it is also wrong to equate ‘Chinese unity’ or even
‘Indian unity’ with votes for MCA or MIC. Malaysians (Malays and non-
Malays) have never been so united since independence and this show of
‘unity’ was demonstrated in the 12GE.
Tengku Faris also said ‘the Malays are the natives (penduduk asal) of
Malaysia, and every Malay must defend the constitution and Islam and
this can only be achieved through Malay unity’.
It is the duty of every citizen, Malays and non-Malay alike to defend
the constitution and the country should the need arise.
One fine day, Tengku Faris will be the Sultan of Kelantan and possibly
the Yang di-Pertuan Agong. Malaysians hope that when that day comes,
Tengku Faris will be a fair and just Sultan/ Yang di-Pertuan Agong for
which all Malaysians will shout with pride and joy, ‘Daulat Tuanku!’- Hide quoted text -
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Otak Kepala...Balik Indonesia - lah.
.•:*¨¨*:•. ® George Ramayah ™ .•:*¨¨*:•.
2008-04-26 03:10:08 UTC
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of  course  the  Chinese want  equality in Malaysia  as the  Chinese
first  step  to take over  Malaysia .
well,  Glock 18 said  before
that the  Malay Agong  protected   all  Chinese  in Malaysia by
enforcing
 the  Malay 's   discriminatory Malaysian  laws  against the Chinese
in Malaysia .
Deranged fucking Jap Komin,

Are you denying you are that
fucking moronic deranged Jap Komin, who is stealing Cambodian jobs and
sodomising Cambodian monkeys?
oai kia
2008-04-28 03:43:45 UTC
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Malays have been a burden on the shoulders of all non Malays for the last
50+ years. How much longer do they expect to be monocoddle?
"Mohammed the Holy Fucker" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:29739c7e-181b-476d-abf2-***@1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
of course the Chinese want equality in Malaysia as the Chinese
first step to take over Malaysia .

well, Glock 18 said before
that the Malay Agong protected all Chinese in Malaysia by
enforcing
the Malay 's discriminatory Malaysian laws against the Chinese
in Malaysia .



.
Non-Malays merely asking for equality
http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/81596
It is clear from the article itself that the constitution does not
view non-Malays as equal before the law.
In real life situations, such as the amount of wealth and resources
consumed by non-Malays far exceed the Malays making them enjoy a much
better standard of living.
The attempt of the constitution is to make sure that Malays will
achieve parity with the non-Malays. Once this is achieved, there is
not point in using the special privileges granted by the constitution
because they can compete on equal merits. No quota or special
privileges needed to be applied in order to allow for their active
participation in the Malaysian economy, commensurate with their
numbers.
==============================================
caveat fair use notice:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
Non-Malays merely asking for equality
Derek Law | Apr 18, 08 4:24pm
I refer to the Malaysiakini report Tengku Faris: Non-Malays should not
seek equality.
It is very disturbing that Tengku Faris, the future Sultan of Kelantan
and possibly Yang di-Pertuan Agong uttered such words, as the
fundamental role of the monarchy is to protect all Malaysians
regardless of religion or race. However, with the monarchy playing a
more active role in nation-building as exemplified by the Regent of
Perak, HRH Raja Nazrin Shah, it is only natural to have conflicting
views from the monarchy.
Nonetheless, Malaysians believe (or hope to believe) that Tengku Faris
has been wrongly advised or misinformed of the actual political
situation in Malaysia, as his speech sounds more like speeches made
during Umno meetings.
The constitution in Malaysia is unique. Article 8 (1) of the Federal
Constitution states that ‘All persons are equal before the law and
entitled to the equal protection of the law’. Thus, all citizens,
regardless of religion or race, have equal rights under citizenship
such as the right to vote, access to education, etc.
However, Article 153 talks about the special position of the Malays/
bumiputeras and the reservation of positions in the public service,
scholarships and other similar educational or training privileges or
special facilities for the Malays/bumiputeras. However, Article 153
has a caveat that such reservation shall not deprive any person of any
public office or of the continuance of any scholarship or other
educational or training privileges or special facilities.
In addition, Article 136 states: ‘All persons of whatever race in the
same grade in the service of the Federation shall, subject to the
terms and conditions of their employment, be treated impartially’.
Thus, if read in totality, the federal constitution accords equal
protection to all citizens but has accorded a special position for the
Malays/bumiputeras. The non-Malays/non-bumiputeras have always
accepted the special position of the Malays/bumiputeras and the Islam
as the official religion of the country and have never questioned
this.
What the non-Malays/non-bumiputeras are merely asking for is equality
as enshrined in the federal constitution.
And it is an error to equate Malay unity as votes for Umno. Malay
Unity or any ‘community unity’ for that matter, means that the
community shares common aspirations such as education and employment
opportunities for their future generations, feeling safe at home and
in public and a strong and resilient economy, etc.
However, this does not mean that the entire community must agree with
all the aspirations or with the ways to achieve those aspirations.
This is the fundamental principle of a democratic society. There must
always be ground for disagreement but fundamentally, the aspirations
of the community are similar among the members.
On the same note, it is also wrong to equate ‘Chinese unity’ or even
‘Indian unity’ with votes for MCA or MIC. Malaysians (Malays and non-
Malays) have never been so united since independence and this show of
‘unity’ was demonstrated in the 12GE.
Tengku Faris also said ‘the Malays are the natives (penduduk asal) of
Malaysia, and every Malay must defend the constitution and Islam and
this can only be achieved through Malay unity’.
It is the duty of every citizen, Malays and non-Malay alike to defend
the constitution and the country should the need arise.
One fine day, Tengku Faris will be the Sultan of Kelantan and possibly
the Yang di-Pertuan Agong. Malaysians hope that when that day comes,
Tengku Faris will be a fair and just Sultan/ Yang di-Pertuan Agong for
which all Malaysians will shout with pride and joy, ‘Daulat Tuanku!’
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